1. "WP E is bad"
1.1. Doesn't do enough 5FTF
1.1.1. Is 5FTF the only way to contribute?
1.1.1.1. Sponsors WordCamp
1.1.1.2. Has been a pioneer for headless WP
1.1.1.3. Has supported GB and FSE
1.1.1.4. Maintains several great plugins
1.1.2. Is 5FTF the best way to contribute?
1.1.2.1. ACF fills a real need that WP has ignored for over a decade.
1.1.2.2. Core or it didn't happen?
1.1.2.2.1. What if you want to support WP but don't like what's going on? I'm not going to support GB/FSE.
1.1.3. It seems the method of contribution most controlled by the powers that be.
1.1.3.1. Are there not enough people working on projects that the BDFL cares about?
1.1.3.2. Also the way that most builds the WP brand vs building company brand
1.1.3.3. Help me the way I say to help me or it doesn't count
1.1.4. "Automattic does so much more for WordPress"
1.1.4.1. A8c owns WP.com which **runs on WordPress**
1.1.4.1.1. Doing for WP vs taking care of your business
1.1.4.1.2. W/o WP, WP.com is nothing
1.1.4.2. WPE runs a service that **supports WordPress**
1.1.4.2.1. W/o WP, WPE is a bunch of LAMP servers
1.2. Disables post revisions by default
1.2.1. It's managed hosting
1.2.1.1. WP.com charges you to be able to change a font
1.2.1.2. GoDaddy disables cron (which is worse)
1.2.2. Why bring it up?
1.2.2.1. Wasn't MM an investor when WPE was doing this?
1.2.2.2. Wasn't MM speaking at WPE events while this was going on?
1.2.2.3. Looks like an accurate but 100% irrelevant shot to justify calling them out
1.2.2.3.1. Again, why them and only them?
1.2.3. Claims: "Why is WP Engine the only one that does?"
1.2.3.1. But it's part of every optimization plugin.
1.2.3.2. Is that true?
1.2.3.2.1. Twitter says it isn't
1.3. Owned by Silver Lake
1.3.1. Then are all Silver Lake holdings bad?
1.3.1.1. What about GoDaddy?
1.3.1.1.1. When did they stop being a parasitic company?
1.3.2. Why isn't Newfold bad? (Bluehost)
1.3.2.1. **They're a rebrand of EIG!**
1.3.2.1.1. Crap, Yoast is owned by EIG :(
1.4. WPE's branding is confusing
1.4.1. To his mom
1.4.1.1. Is she in the tech space?
1.4.1.2. Does she know the difference between Java and Javascript?
1.4.2. I've never known anyone confused by this
1.4.3. wp.com vs wp.org is actually confusing
2. Moving forward
2.1. There needs to be a serious discussion
2.1.1. Who needs to be there?
2.1.2. Where would it be held?
2.1.3. Who would/could/should facilitate/referee it?
2.1.4. Does it matter?
2.1.5. What could we do?
2.1.5.1. What does the community want to do?
2.1.5.1.1. Is there a homogenous spirit for there to be "a" community?
3. What does it take to be on the naughty list?
3.1. Who put Bluehost on wp.org?
3.2. Why does MM champion Bluehost?
3.3. AwesomeMotive has used some #111111 tactics
3.3.1. Marketing
3.3.2. Plugin UX