THE UK ELECTION LEADERSHIP DEBATE ROUND 2 22 APRIL 2010

A record of the second debate between Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democratic party leaders

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THE UK ELECTION LEADERSHIP DEBATE ROUND 2 22 APRIL 2010 by Mind Map: THE UK ELECTION LEADERSHIP DEBATE ROUND 2 22 APRIL 2010

1. Live at Sky News Online

1.1. Preamble

1.2. The Rules

2. Last Weeks Debate

2.1. MindManager Map and Outline

2.2. ITV Player

3. Opening Remarks

3.1. Gordon Brown

3.1.1. Its about the UK's future

3.1.2. Economic recovery

3.1.3. Bringing the troops back

3.1.4. Security

3.1.5. I can supply the right conditions

3.2. David Cameron

3.2.1. Help families

3.2.2. Less waste and bureaucracy

3.2.3. Accept personal resonsibility

3.3. Nick Clegg

3.3.1. The UK currently have a poor record

4. Closing Remarks

4.1. Gordon Brown

4.1.1. The buck stops here

4.1.2. Daily discussions about Afghanistan

4.1.3. Economy - Don't do anything that risks the recovery

4.1.4. Conservatives will risk the recovery

4.1.5. Lib Dems will risk our security

4.2. David Cameron

4.2.1. Fresh new leadership

4.2.2. Note the differences between the parties

4.2.3. Break away from 13 years of failure

4.3. Nick Clegg

4.3.1. We can shape the world around us

4.3.2. The Lib Dems will act differently

4.3.3. People are beginning to believe that a change is possible

4.3.4. You don't need to repeat the mistakes of the past

5. What is the advantage of being in Europe?

5.1. David Cameron

5.1.1. We should be in there

5.1.2. We should take some powers back

5.1.3. We should not join the Euro

5.1.4. Remove some of the bureaucracy

5.1.5. Our powers have been given away without consultation

5.1.6. Referendums on future power transfer

5.1.7. It's a con to vote in or out

5.2. Nick Clegg

5.2.1. It's imperfect

5.2.2. We need it

5.2.2.1. International Crime

5.2.2.2. Climate Change

5.2.2.3. Banking systems

5.2.3. Referendum yes

5.2.3.1. But bigger issue

5.2.3.2. In or Out

5.2.4. You need to be in to be represented against other major trading entities

5.2.5. Cameron has aligned himself with some extreme groups in Europe

5.3. Gordon Brown

5.3.1. 3 million jobs depend on it

5.3.2. 750,000 businesses trade with Europe

5.3.3. I have persuade them to deal with the banks

5.3.4. Too much debate not enough action

5.3.5. Trade with Europe is paramount

5.3.6. David is anti Europe

5.3.7. Nick is anti US

6. What new measures will you introduce to make immigration fairer

6.1. Nick Clegg

6.1.1. Border police force

6.1.2. Direct them to areas in need

6.1.3. Remove the invisible immigrants from the crime mobs

6.1.4. We created the problem with our chaotic immigration system

6.1.5. We cannot deny the situation the previous governments have created

6.2. Gordon Brown

6.2.1. An amnesty of illegal immigrants will not happen

6.2.2. We have restrictions on Non EU immigration and specific trades

6.2.3. ID cards for those coming in

6.2.4. Count people in and out

6.2.5. Points system

6.2.6. We have reduced net immigration

6.3. David Cameron

6.3.1. We need to be warm to those who are here

6.3.2. We have allowed too many people in

6.3.3. We need to restrict it

6.3.4. Labour have failed to control immigration

6.3.5. Amnesty has be shown to not work in Europe

6.3.6. We will discuss annually with everyone the cap required

7. Pope is visiting and it will cost us millions. Will you distance yourself from Catholic views on homosexuality, contraception and their legacy of ill treatment

7.1. David Cameron

7.1.1. Yes the Pope should come

7.1.2. Faith organisations do remarkable work here

7.1.3. But I don't agree with everything they do

7.1.4. We need to advance in Science and elsewhere

7.1.5. We should be open and discuss with them and others

7.2. Nick Clegg

7.2.1. Many Catholics are disturbed by what has gone on and the current doctrines

7.2.2. But the Pope should visit

7.2.3. I don't agree with everything they stand for

7.3. Gordon Brown

7.3.1. Openess is required

7.3.2. Pope visit yes

7.3.2.1. Catholics are an important part of our society

7.3.3. I do disagree with them

7.3.3.1. Homosexuality

7.3.3.2. Contraception

7.3.3.3. Scientific development

8. Would the UK participate in future multi-national operations against terrorism?

8.1. Gordon Brown

8.1.1. We already are and we will continue to do this

8.1.1.1. Somalia

8.1.2. The mission in Afghanistan will work

8.1.3. Yes there will a review

8.1.4. No will be allowed to create bases to breach our security

8.1.5. Enemy tactics have changed. We have changed. They keep on changing

8.1.6. Iran and North Korea are real threats

8.2. Nick Clegg

8.2.1. Yes if it is like Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan

8.2.2. Let's make sure they are properly equipped with the right strategy

8.2.3. Need a full defence review

8.2.4. Stop

8.2.4.1. Euro Fighter

8.2.4.2. Trident

8.2.4.2.1. The military do not believe we need a replacement now

8.2.5. We have not been supplying our people properly in Afganistan

8.3. David Cameron

8.3.1. We need think carefully and coherently about it

8.3.2. Have we got a political strategy in each case

8.3.3. Big issue making sure all factions are involved in rebuilding countries like Afghanistan

8.3.4. We need Trident and its replacement

8.3.5. We cannot put it off

9. Will you put aside political differences to deal with the big issues by working in a coalition

9.1. David Cameron

9.1.1. Yes we do cooperate on some issues

9.1.2. But we believe certain things need to happen now

9.1.3. Yes we would work with a coalition if required

9.1.4. But we do disagree on some fundamental issues

9.1.4.1. Job tax

9.1.5. We do need to have a multi party war cabinet

9.1.6. You can see we have our differences

9.2. Nick Clegg

9.2.1. Yes form cooperative groups on finance issues for examples

9.2.2. I don't think it would matter

9.2.3. We will talk if it happens

9.2.4. We will fight for our proposals within a coalition

9.2.5. We need radical steps to reform the banking system

9.2.6. Split the investment banks from the high street ones

9.3. Gordon Brown

9.3.1. We already many cooperative groups with business and financial institutions

9.3.2. Let the public decide

9.3.3. I am always asking people to work with us

9.3.4. Conservatives want to take money out of the economy

10. What have you done personally to use sustainable forms of transport

10.1. Gordon Brown

10.1.1. I have been on the beach

10.1.2. Solar panel yes

10.1.3. Wind Turbine no

10.1.4. Stop consuming oil

10.1.5. Nuclear power will balance against the loss of oil

10.1.6. We have a renewables plan

10.1.7. We will continue with our current plans

10.1.8. We have worked with many countries

10.2. Nick Clegg

10.2.1. I don't do enough

10.2.2. Tax on aviation is needs reform

10.2.3. Nuclear Power

10.2.3.1. Very expensive

10.2.3.2. Long Time to build

10.2.4. Much cheaper

10.2.4.1. Mass insulation of private and public property

10.2.5. Act globally

10.2.5.1. Lead in Europe

10.2.6. American relationship should not be a one way street

10.3. David Cameron

10.3.1. Installed proper insulation in my house

10.3.2. Against 3rd run away at Heathrow

10.3.3. High Speed Trains would be better

10.3.4. Green Deal £6,500 to spend on your home

10.3.5. Power cuts predicted in 2017

10.3.5.1. Nuclear power will not be ready

10.3.6. Action is required at the European level

11. Is a state pension of £59 a week a just reward?

11.1. Gordon Brown

11.1.1. We will link pensions to earnings

11.1.2. Pension credit

11.1.3. Free TV Licenses

11.1.4. Women will be given similar pensions to me

11.1.5. We will enable to stay longer at home before going to a residential home

11.1.6. We will suspend payments for residential care after two years

11.2. David Cameron

11.2.1. We will deliver pension based on earnings

11.2.2. We will need men to work a year longer to pay for this

11.2.3. Residential care will be dealt with

11.2.4. We will keep

11.2.4.1. Bus passes

11.2.4.2. TV Licenses

11.2.4.3. Winter Heating License

11.2.5. We want to stop people have to use their savings and property to pay for residential care

11.3. Nick Clegg

11.3.1. People are taking extreme actions

11.3.2. We will be dealing with this

11.3.3. 2.5 million pensioners in poverty (Well done Labour)

11.3.4. Extend winter fuel payments to other groups

11.3.4.1. Disabled

11.3.4.2. Terminally Ill

11.3.5. The growing elderly population is a big problem which needs joint long term action

11.3.6. We will give carers a break

12. How do you plan to restore faith in the political system?

12.1. Nick Clegg

12.1.1. Give people the power to sack those who fail

12.1.2. We still have to act on the issues that need resolving

12.1.3. Partial result of this and these debates is young people are going to vote in larger numbers

12.1.4. Jobs for life

12.1.4.1. 20-30% votes in safe seats

12.1.5. There are still people who have not been held to account for their finances

12.2. Gordon Brown

12.2.1. Voting makes a difference

12.2.2. Right of recall

12.2.3. Referendum on House of Lords and Commons

12.2.4. Don't risk the vote on the other parties

12.2.5. We have clear rules now which allow us to kick out those that transgress them

12.2.6. What makes a difference

12.2.6.1. Schools

12.2.6.2. Health

12.2.6.3. Policing

12.2.7. The Conservatives will still be benefitting the richest people in the country

12.2.8. It should be a full time job

12.2.8.1. Local surgeries

12.2.8.2. Attending votes

12.3. David Cameron

12.3.1. People want the certainty and transparency on expense

12.3.2. Cut the cost of politics

12.3.3. Open primaries: involve more people in this

12.3.4. Personal responsibilties

12.3.4.1. Bring up children

12.3.4.2. Cooperate with the police

12.3.5. Don't punish people for doing this