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LOTF Discussion 1 by Mind Map: LOTF Discussion 1
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LOTF Discussion 1

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate. Jack is a hunter and can feed the population, but Ralph was chosen leader at the beginning and wants to remain civilized. Everyone wants Ralph to join Jack’s tribe because Jack says there is going to be fun in his tribe and everyone wants to have fun, but they want to follow the chosen leader instead of becoming savages. Civilization is deteriorating because they killed Simon in which they thought was “the beast.” When really Simon was just going to tell of the dead body and there wasn’t really a beast for people to worry about.  

Group A

Katelyn, Tristan, Brandon, Lexi, Dallas

Katelyn 5/11/11

i think that the boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out because he was the leader and they couldn't vote him out because they voted him in.  Also because he seemed more of a leader than Jack and they were scarred of Jack.  They go to Jacks group because they want meat and want to play, not build shelters and keep a fire going.

Tristan Burton

Dallas 5/11/11

I think the boys on the island are unwilling to vote Ralph out of the leader because, they dont  fell like they should go aginst what was normal since they've been on the island. When Jack goes off to make his own tribe, and they think they kill the "Beast" is a sign that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate 

Lexx(:

Tristan Burton

Lexi 5/11/11

The boys are unwilling to vote ralph out all leave Ralph to join Jack's group because they know that Jack's Tribe consists of hunters. The more and more they think about it, they are hungry for meat. They see that Jacks tribe is having fun also. The killing of Simon shows just how savage-like the boys are becoming. If Simon was killed because the boys got "carried away" whose to say that Jack or Ralph or Piggy wont be next. They are slowly but surely becoming unpredictable. This shows how sperated everyone is. It represents how quickly the island is falling apart.

Tristan Burton

Tristan Burton

They joined Jack's group because it sounded more fun then building shelters, and fires. Jack also used the fact that people were afraid of him to get new members. Everyone respected Ralph more because Ralph  thought through the events that would help them get off of the island. Jack had his hunters help inforce what he wanted.

Lexx(:

Brandon Campbell 5/11/11

They wont vote ralph out because they would feel bad. they think jacks group is more fun  

Group C

Cheyenne, Whitney, Brady, Sydney, Colton

Cheyenne Huff 5/11/11

Colton Lightle 5/11/11

  The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate.  No is willing to take verbal action because they know Ralph will have something to say back but they will physically join Jacks group to avoid confrontation with Ralph. The civilization got worse because the boys were splitting apart. Everyone likes Jack and not Ralph. Therefore they join Jacks side whch causes arguing between the boys. They are losing their minds which causes them to want to kill the "Beast" The rules are slowly deteriating along with the society.

Sydney Legg:) 5/11/11

The boys don’t want to vote Ralph out but they join Jack’s tribe because he is a hunter and can provide them with meat. Jack tells the group all of his ideas and they sound a lot better than Ralph’s because they all think that Ralph is too strict and has too many rules. Jack doesn’t have as many rules, and he has meat for them. Jack tells them that he is a hunter and the group probably feel a sense of protection from that because he’ll be able to protect them from the “beast”. They’re also hungry and Ralph is not a hunter, so therefore they all want the pig that Jack has killed. All the group cares about at this point in the story is the beast. At first, they want to kill the beast, but then they decide to give it gifts and offerings, hoping that it will leave them alone. Then, they start to do really strange things like all kinds of chants and dancing when it’s storming outside. By doing this ritual, they end up letting a member of their tribe (the only one that knows what the beast is) die. So basically, they’re so revolved around the beast, finding meat, and choosing tribes that they’re slowly starting to lose their minds.

Brady Lambert 5/11/11

The boys begin to devide and

Whitney Huff 5/11/11

I think the boys

Group E

No body votes against Ralph because he is a good leader and organized, and maybe because they are some what afraid of Jack. But they leave for Jacks tribe because he promises fun. The killing of the beast shows that the boys are turning more and more savage like, as they leave sacrifices for the so called beast.

Chelsey Thompson 5/11/11

The boys go and join Jack’s tribe because the boys just want to have fun and eat meat.  They and not willing to out vote Ralph because he is a good leader and he trys to keep things in order.  The separation of the tribe shows that the boys are starting to turn against each other and go their separate ways.  The killing of “the beast” shows that the boys are going insane and everything is falling apart.

Sara Sines 5/11/11

I think the boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out because he is a good leader and he helps keep eveything going on the island and with whats important. But everyone joins Jacks side becasue he is a good hunter and he can get them food to survive but also he knows how to just let go so that they feel some what free and not trapped on a island.

Alex Russell 5/11/11.

Everyone is unwilling to vote Ralph out but leaves him anyway is because they are to afraid to go against the crowd. If one person would have voted him out then everyone would have. The creation of two tribes and the killing of "the beast" shows how the civilization is deterioateing by they are slowly loseing order and are becoming scared of the fact of a beast out in the woods.

Group F

Trevor, Kearstin, Jamie, Izzy, Cody

Isabella Clark 5/11/11

The boys don't want to vote Ralph about because they know that he is the sensible one of the group and that they need him to survive on there own but they want to join Jack's "tribe" because they want to have fun, they want to be carefree and not have to worry about their responsibilities. The two tribes are both examples of humanity; Ralph's "tribe" would be the good that humans naturally feel for others, while Jack's tribe would be an example of the savagery that humans are capable of commiting if they have nothing holding them back, no civilization to hold them back and tell them right from wrong. Ralph's "tribe" is based on sophistication, Jack's "tribe" is based on primal urges and feelings.

Jamie

The creation of two tribes shows that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate because its shows how much everyone’s thought process has changed and how they are beginning to forget the ways of society. The killing of “the beast” shows that the morals of society have been dissolved over time as well.

cody

Trevor

Trevor

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate.   Jack is a hunter and can feed the population, but Ralph was chosen leader at the beginning and wants to remain civilized. Everyone wants Ralph to join Jack’s tribe because Jack says there is going to be fun in his tribe and everyone wants to have fun, but they want to follow the chosen leader instead of becoming savages. Civilization is deteriorating because they killed Simon in which they thought was “the beast.” When really Simon was just going to tell of the dead body and there wasn’t really a beast for people to worry about.

Kearstin Carroll♥

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate. The boys join Jack’s tribe because he is a hunter and can provide them with food. The boys think that Ralph has too many rules and he is very strict. Jack is more laid back and he has less rules then Ralph. Plus they didn’t want to hurt Ralph’s feelings by over ruling him so they just left.   The boy’s civilization is beginning to deteriorate because they are very mentally unstable. And now that Jack is a leader their will be no rules, and no order. Ralph once said “rules are the only thing we have.” 

Trevor

Jamie

cody

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate.                                                                                                                    Jack can hunt and provide food for the boys. Ralph has rules that the boys don’t like to obey and follow. Their tribe is falling apart  because they don’t worry about signal fires or being rescued. . I agree on the first part, but some of the boys want to follow the rules to be civilized.

jamie

Kearstin

Trevor

Group G

Chris, Robert, Ashley, Clayton, Ryan, Dustin

Robert Kunder

Jack has the means to feed everybody by killing the pigs. The forming of the two tribes shows the break of the people so they are getting hostile and since the person that knew what the beast was and they killed him and the real beast got blown away they are going to stay scared and be hostile to every one and so fighting and murder is going to start to happen.  

i agree i didnt see it that way.ryan

Ryan Ross

Everyone wants Ralph to be the leader but they want jack so that they will have food. The killing of the beast shows that they have lost their sense of right and wrong because they are starting to kill stuff. I agree with what was said here in this short paragraph.

chris hunt

I agree with what was said here in this short paragraph. Robert

Chris hunt

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack’s “tribe.” Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of “the beast” show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate.           Why? Because Ralph is the oldest and is somewhat still thought of as a leader. Also the creation of the two tribes and the killing of the beast (Simon) shows how civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate because their falling apart not worrying about signal fires or being rescued period. Everyone is getting into hunting and killing of a beast that really isn’t there, its all in their head. Being on the island for so long is really messing with their minds, their tripping out seeing things that really aren’t there.

i agree that they are falling apart. ryan

I agree with the reasons way they staring to lose their minds.Robert

Group B

Keyia Gose= ]5/11/11

 I think the boys don’t want to vote Ralph out because they don’t want to hurt Ralph’s feelings. It was easier to leave Ralph to join Jacks tribe. Jacks tribe is a lot more fun so they decide to join it.   The civilization got worse because the boys were splitting apart. They didn’t want to be in Ralph’s tribe. The boys were starting to lose their minds, which lead them to kill “the beast”.  

Chandler Grooms 5/11/11

The boys are unwilling to vote Ralph out, but everyone leaves him to join Jack's "tribe." Why? Examine how the creation of two tribes and the killing of "the beast" show that civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate. The boys leave Ralph to Jack's tribe because they didn't want to hurt his feelings, so it was easier to move him to Jack's tribe. The civilization on the island is beginning to deteriorate because the boys are splitting up and they are becoming mentally unstable, which is why they killed "the beast". They are leaving all of the rules and regulations of modern civilization behind.

Nathan Gragg 5/11/11

On the island everyone is going crazy. The people want Ralph as the leader but they do not want to be left out. So they are left with only one thing to do go with the crowd. Which leaves Ralph to pick if he wants to join Jacks group or to stay alone. The people think taht if they join Jacks company they will be safe from the Beast and will be cept good food all the time.

Jeffrey Forbes 5/11/11

Abd I think they did vote Ralph off because they felt bad for him.

Group D

Logan Mills 5/11/11

The seperating of the tribes shows the falling apart of their civil life because not only are they seperated and can't agree, they also not able to vote right anymore. This shows deterioration because they are losing their sanity. The killing of Simon and the beast also show that the island society is falling aprt because they killed Simon because he ran out of the woods into their circle. They went into a frenzy when they saw him run into the circle. They killed him without thinking and still didn't notice. They also believe that the beast is still able to fly because it it blew out to sea.

Miranda Muntz 5/11/11

I think the boys don't vote Ralph out, but join Jack's "tribe" because they know that Ralph has good leadership skills and he helps keep the group in balance. Instead they just waited till after the "feast." I think that the seperation of the groups and the killing of "the beast" show that the civilization of the group is being destroyed and that everything is falling aper because everyone needed to stick together just to survive, and now they are seperated. All the civilization has been lost, truely. Everyone is going crazy and all control has been lost.

Brittany Reader 5/11/11

The boys are not wanting to vote Ralph out because they know that they need his leadership. Even though they are joining Jack's trive, they know that Ralph has more leadership skills. Everyone is joining JAck's tribe because Jack knows how to hunt. While Ralph doesn't know how. The groups dividing up  show that everything on the island is deteriorating by the lack of trust and leadership. The rules are all fading away and going back to modern civilization. They are all believing that  they are going to die so now everyone is going crazy.

Hunter Riley

Jack is a hunter and can feed the population, but Ralph was chosen leader at the beginning and wants to remain civilized. Everyone wants Ralph to join Jack’s tribe because Jack says there is going to be fun in his tribe and everyone wants to have fun, but they want to follow the chosen leader instead of becoming savages. Civilization is deteriorating because they killed Simon in which they thought was “the beast.” When really Simon was just going to tell of the dead body and there wasn’t really a beast for people to worry about.